The Observer
- December 7, 2003
interview > Sean O'Hagan
source > observer.guardian.co.uk
In his films, as in
his troubled, volatile life, Harmony Korine has always been drawn
to the path between creativity and self-destruction. The perfect
person, then, to document David Blaine's 44 days in London.
The last time I met Harmony
Korine, he was nursing a broken ankle and bruised ribs, and
self-medicating with liberal doses of strong alcohol and even
stronger pharmaceuticals. His physical disrepair was the result of
a dogged work-in-progress entitled Fight , for which he had been
wandering the night-time streets of New York provoking strangers
to beat him up while his friend David Blaine secretly filmed the
proceedings. Though there was no shortage of takers, Korine had
seriously misjudged the timescale of an average fight and,
half-a-dozen beatings in, had only garnered about three minutes of
footage.
'I have some recollection of that
interview,' he says now, laughing. 'I guess you caught me just as
the fog was coming down.' That was more than four years ago. It
would not be overstating the case to say that Harmony Korine was
lost in that fog for most of the intervening time. Those of us who
had lauded him for his still startling feature film, Gummo, a
graphic depiction of a casually violent and terminally
dysfunctional trailer-park America seldom seen on the cinema
screen, were left wondering if that had been a precocious flash in
the pan.
The follow-up, 1999's flawed but
still fascinating Julien Donkey-Boy , made under the rules of
Dogme, a cinematic movement that involves filming in the here and
now with hand-held cameras and minimal props, provided few answers
in its rambling and fitfully arresting anti-narrative. After that,
there were vague rumours that Korine was making another
Dogme-style film about boys who jumped off electricity pylons in,
of all places, East Anglia. Then, nothing.
'Looking back, it's hard to say
what went wrong,' he says, sighing and sounding still baffled.
'All I know is that my desire waned. I had come straight out of
high school at 19 and wrote Kids [his first script, directed by
Larry Clark] and, suddenly, a few years later I was burned out. I
didn't really care about films or filmmaking. I just wanted to
disappear.'
The word on the grapevine was
that Korine was devastated following the breakdown of his on-off
romance with Chloë Sevigny, the young actress who had been his
muse, and whose subsequent move into the mainstream has been as
surefooted as Korine's stumble into the margins. Whatever, for a
few years he disappeared off the radar altogether and, in his
absence, the rumour mill went into overdrive.
In places as far apart as New
York, London and Mississippi, I heard variously that Korine had
burned down his house in New York State, that he was living in
Primrose Hill, London, in a flat belonging to a well-known Irish
actress, lost in a chemical haze and, more recently, that he was
'in recovery' in Paris and actually doing pretty well. For once,
all the rumours seem to have been true.
'Let's just say I was in a dark
place, and leave it at that,' he says. How bad did it get? I
persist. 'It wasn't good or bad,' he counters, 'it was just
painful. As you probably noticed, I was headed in a bad direction
the last time I saw you, and I just kept running towards the
tornado.'
Did he burn his house down,
though? There is a pause. 'That's not strictly accurate,' he says,
sighing again. 'It was actually two houses. My home in
Connecticut, that went first. Then I got another house, but that
burnt down too. I lost everything,' he says, matter of factly. 'I
mean, I'm lucky to be around at all. The thing is, I didn't want
to die, I just wanted to disappear. I wasn't happy with myself and
I didn't want to be around anyone. If I could have just evaporated,
it would have been good. I figure it was something I had to go
through, I had to destroy everything in order to start over again.'
The starting over began in
earnest when he moved to Paris 10 months ago to begin his recovery.
It continued apace when he resurfaced in London earlier this
summer, wielding a camera and acting as a kind of postmodern
ringmaster for the strange P.T. Barnum-like events unfolding by
the Thames in and around David Blaine's Perspex box. The end
result, Above the Below, is his most unlikely film to date.
'It's a Harmony film, right?' he
grins, when I tell him how much I liked it, but, for that very
reason, it may prove hard-going for the uninitiated. For a start,
it often meanders away from the subject at hand to follow a face
in the crowd, a balloon drifting into the sky or a flock of
dipping and weaving starlings.
It has his usual mix of strange
music and odd vignettes, not least a young man with Down's
syndrome hamming it up for the camera. (In Gummo, the two teenage
protagonists visit a prostitute played by a young woman with
Down's syndrome, a scene that caused considerable offence in Amer
ica. There is a tenderness in Korine's gaze, though, that is
seldom remarked on, and that somehow mitigates the charge of
exploitation.)
'The truly amazing thing is that
Harmony seemed to capture all the things that I saw that stuck in
my mind,' says Blaine, who was undergoing a series of medical
check-ups when I caught up with him in London last week. 'He's the
only person I trusted to be true to the original vision I had.
Everything about his films is unique, and I think he is really the
only filmmaker today who tries to render life as it is, the mess
and the confusion, the beautiful moments that often don't make
sense until much later.
'I believe in the honest moment,
too, that brief time when you are totally unobstructed in what you
do. There's an essential truth in what we both do, and that's why
I trust him with my life.'
This, as it turns out, is true.
Korine was the one person authorised in Blaine's contract to
terminate the 44-day fast if things had gone wrong.
'I told him before I went in that
if I was lying still at the bottom of the box for three straight
days, and not drinking any water, to pull the plug. In a way, he
was my life support, but I also wanted to make sure he filmed
those three days. They would have been the most interesting.'
Korine and Blaine met when the
latter attended the premiere of Kids . They share an interest in
what might be termed extreme and self-testing behaviour. As if in
homage to the now infamous, and still unseen Fight, Above the
Below includes some visceral footage of Blaine being punched
repeatedly in the stomach by a hyped-up local boxer while on a
pre-fast walkabout in Brixton.
'It's basically my interpretation
of what David is to me,' elaborates Korine, who is now living in
Nashville, Tennessee, where, looking older but healthier, he is
hard at work on a new script.
'It's what I believed he was
going through at the time, but if you are looking for answers as
to why he does what he does, this film does not provide them.
Everyone seems to want answers these days, but I don't even know
what motivates me, and I honestly don't think David really knows
what drives him. I do think you can get glimpses of it in the
film.'
The most powerful scene features
a post-fast Blaine talking about his mother's death, his usually
calm-to-the-point-of-comatose demeanour suddenly replaced by a
rising anger that suggests everything he does when pushing his
body and mind to the limits of endurance has its roots in this
still unexorcised grief. 'I provide clues and the viewer has to do
the rest,' says Korine. 'I'm not that interested in introspection
because I believe it often leads to false answers. Hell, I even
look away from the mirror when I shave in the mornings.'
Like his films, Harmony Korine is
an oddly elusive individual, whose life and work seemed in the
past to have coalesced in disturbingly dark and self-destructive
ways. This is what makes a film like Gummo so new and challenging,
and what makes a film like Fight - which he insists will be
released soon as a half-hour short - so sick and shocking. Though
hailed initially as 'the voice of the post-slacker generation', he
is too oddball and wilfully wayward to be the voice of anyone
other than himself.
Born 29 years ago in Bolinas,
California, to 'hippy' parents, Korine's upbringing was nomadic
going on unsettled. His father, an Iranian-Jewish émigré,
travelled the states as a hippy, before starting a chain of
successful boutiques. Korine has described his childhood as
solitary and, at school, was marked down as a slow developer. As a
teenager, he was prescribed Ritalin, the controversial drug to
control hyperactivity, and claims not to have started puberty
until he was 16.
Films were his escape and his
inspiration. When his family moved to New York, he spent endless
solitary hours in the city's repertory cinemas, and he can talk
for hours about the work of Bresson, Herzog and the French
nouvelle vague, as well as lauding 'the god-like genius of Buster
Keaton'.
The last time I met him, he
rounded off a monologue on the 'lost art of vaudeville' by tap
dancing across the wooden floor of his Gramercy Park apartment in
a pair of ill-fitting patent-leather shoes, then climbing on to a
table and illustrating 'how to fall properly from a great height',
a talent he developed by studying Keaton's films in some depth.
All these formative influences
have inevitably found their way into his movies which, though
emphatically American in their subject matter, are European in
their tone and sensibility. (Werner Herzog, who has proclaimed
Korine a genius, appeared in Julien Donkey-Boy. ) His two feature
films to date are populated by misfits and outcasts, often amoral
protagonists whose lives or actions he neither criticises nor
condones.
His subject matter is the extreme
outsider in American society: the glue-sniffing, cat-killing
teenage boys in Gummo who exist in that great lost America of
trailer parks and welfare homes; the damaged soul in Julien
Donkey-Boy who, in grief and confusion, steals his sister's dead
baby from the city morgue.
Though his films are not for the
fainthearted and can be wilfully frustrating in their disregard
for narrative, they do delineate an America that is utterly
unexplored by mainstream and, indeed, independent film- makers.
Korine once told me that he wanted to save American film, a medium
that, though still relatively young, was 'jaded and cynical'. I
ask him if that is still the case.
'I said that? When I see a lot of
the statements that I made back then, it's almost like it was a
different person talking. I mean, I was fired up, and there was
nothing wrong with that, but I have no real big agenda except to
make great and challenging films on my own terms. To tell the
truth, I still don't see that much that excites or surprises me.
Mystic River was good. Eastwood is an American master, but he's
resolutely old-fashioned, and that's OK. I guess I'm not as angry
and as confrontational as I was back then. I worked all that out
the hard way.'
Could he ever see himself making
a big-budget studio film? 'I don't really think on those terms. To
me, they're too constrictive. But I would like to make something
big and ornate and stylised. I always want to expand and negate
the thing I've done before. Right now, I don't want to do another
small film, and I don't want to shoot on digital video. So, who
knows? The thing is, I don't have much talent for plot. I work in
images and visuals. I just string it together in my own way.'
To this end, Korine's new script
is, he says, 'about nuns falling out of aeroplanes without
parachutes'. Not the kind of pitch, one hazards a guess, that will
have the Hollywood moneymen beating a path to his door. 'It's just
a great image to start from,' he elaborates, 'and already it's
about something else.' What exactly? I ask, intrigued. 'Faith, I
guess. And risk. They jump and then they start praying, and then
they land safely.'
As metaphors go, it sounds pretty
close to home, maybe even autobiographical? He thinks about this
for a moment. 'Yeah, sure. Why not? It's all mixed up anyway, the
life, the work, the creative and the personal, it's all one and
the same for me. It can get confusing from time to time,' he says,
ever a master of understatement. 'But that's just the way it is
with me. I can't ever see that changing.'
David Blaine concurs: 'Harmony
doesn't fit because he is the only person I know who actually puts
on the screen in a pure and faithful way what he actually sees. He
has a vision and he never sells it short. That's a rare thing
these days, to be able to tell beautiful stories about how life
really is.'
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2003
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